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Mark Morford Column

Some weeks ago, StarWatcher recommended this fellow's column, on Brokeback Mountain, I think. I found his work interesting and subscribed to his twice weekly column. I don't find him either naive or ingenuous, and certainly not stupid. To the contrary, I've often found his views insightful. However, there is no doubt that he is critical of the current Administration.

Fifteen months ago, in New Zealand, I was first introduced to the theory that the American Administration had been behind the socalled terrorist attacks that brought down the twin World Trade Towers and destroyed part of the Pentagon, and another air liner was lost, for the purpose of inciting war to obtain clear access to Middle East oil reserves. Frankly, I thought the fellow who told me this was an idiot.

Now ... I'm not so sure, and the idea that this was all contrived and so many people died from many nations to serve a US corporate and political agenda is terrifying. But there's convincing material in the referenced links quoted in Mark's column today. Check it out. Perhaps it's all only fear-mongering but ... it's compelling. I'd be interested in reactions. Is this at all credible? And, if so, are the resources and military might of the richest nation on earth in fact being held hostage by an unscrupulous leader and his inner circle of confederates, to be used in a bloody war on two fronts simply to what? Appease corporate greed for oil? I don't want to believe this, for it's an incredibly evil scenario. As an outside, I've long perceived the President to be relatively stupid, certainly arrogant, but not ... not outright evil, or even bright enough to mastermind such a plot. Perhaps, I've badly underestimated him and he's more intelligent than he's portrayed and has the capacity to enact such a blood chilling agenda. Those who know better than I, please tell me this is what I thought it was originally, a complex conspiracy theory that has no real basis or logic. Check out the story and the links within the story at http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/03/29/notes032906.DTL&nl=fix

If any of this is true, it makes Watergate look like a kindergarten picnic. Like I say, I really don't want to believe this but ... it no longer sounds like such a crackpot idea as it did at Christmas, 2004 in New Zealand.

Looking forward to comments.

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fingers
Mar. 29th, 2006 12:50 pm (UTC)
There's a whole lot of stuff linked to and deriving from 9/11 that is just ...odd and to be honest some of the conspiracy theories make more sense than the official story. I've been researching it and gathering links over the past few months for a colleague's website - my mirror of that collection is here:
http://www.netplo.com/pworlds911.html please feel free to visit.

Thanks for the Mark Morford link - that will be added to the links at some point in the near future.

And yes I know I'm in the UK but the scale of the day and its aftermath affected us all - whatever country we nominally belong to.

I'm going to post a link to this post if you don't mind in Ground Waves - a little LJ community I've set up.


caarianna
Mar. 29th, 2006 12:59 pm (UTC)
Go ahead and post the link, Fingers. This wasn't simply an American tragedy, though people forget that, and the NYC firefighters were certainly heroes. But many, many of the people who died were from other nations who trade or consulate offices in the building. At the time, I thought of it as genuinely an attack 'on the world' and not just the US. Makes me feel cold and gives me the shivers to think the "make it happen' scenario is the truth.
fingers
Mar. 29th, 2006 03:08 pm (UTC)
This is the post
This is the post I've written in gound_waves

http://community.livejournal.com/ground_waves/2573.html
caarianna
Mar. 29th, 2006 07:36 pm (UTC)
Re: This is the post
Fingers, I've scanned through Groundwaves, and I'm staggered by the amount of info sites you've collected. How can we ever know what's true about this? But if people really believe the Bush Administration 'made it happen' scenario, then they're awfully brave to be pursuing this so vocally and widely. If there is substance to their challenges and speculations, then ... well, people who don't blink at bringing down three buildings and killing thousands of people could be dangerous to accuse.
fingers
Mar. 29th, 2006 08:22 pm (UTC)
Re: This is the post
There is a lot of information out there but also what has been called 'disinformation'- Deliberately posted in order to make the whole area look kooky and untrustworthy and completely out of kilter to Joe Public. My collection includes a fair few of those - I've collected everything I can find

I don't know how we will filter the good from the bad. And to be honest - I think - 'they' (whoever that they is) think they'll get away with it, that the lie (if there is one and I am sure there is at least one or two in the whole big stinking mess) is just too big for anyone to believe. There has been talk of a couple of 911 researchers being murdered but ... nothing reliable.

And remember what that DFireman said to the reporter - He *wants* it to be Bin Laden because he doesn't want to start looking ...

That's how it is all worked on - fear.
polly_b
Mar. 29th, 2006 03:46 pm (UTC)
a complex conspiracy theory that has no real basis or logic.

Hmm, like the American government supporting 'medical research' by deliberately infecting Black convicts and servicemen with syphillis? Or mandating the forced sterilization of Native American women? Or exposing young soldiers to radioactivity in nuclear bomb tests?

Oh, wait, all those things really happened...
fingers
Mar. 29th, 2006 04:50 pm (UTC)
Or like the CIA station chief being seen on the very same hospital floor that Osmama Bin Laden was staying on in June / July 2001?
caarianna
Mar. 29th, 2006 07:45 pm (UTC)
The mind boggles. I know that there was an era in which anyone not white or Caucasian was considered less than human. Unbridled power is so ugly and destructive.
vamysteryfan
Mar. 29th, 2006 07:33 pm (UTC)
Full disclosure: I live in Arlington, VA and took the bus past the Pentagon every day for about 5 years. I do not work for the federal government but I do work on the DC government's website. (But the DC government is basically powerless)

I hadn't heard any of the conspiracy theories. The article and the attached references were extremely interesting. The timing is serendipitous for me, since the penalty phase of the trial for Moussaoui (sp?) is almost over. It gets a lot of coverage in the Post and some of the information I've heard really applies.

I guess I have mixed feelings about the theorists. On the one hand, they raise a lot of questions that deserve answers. On the other hand, the folks that raise the valid questions are being drowned out by the fringe-ier elements, which tends to devalue the valid questions. Case in point - the whole drone/there were no planes theory. I can't speak for the World Trade Center, but a plane crashed into the Pentagon. One of my younger sisters works across the highway in an office highrise and she saw it happen. It was no hologram/controlled demolition.

On the other hand, sadly, I can totally believe that Bush et al. had preknowledge that it was going to happen and let it happen. To return to the Moussaoui trial, there's an immense amount of documentary evidence that one FBI agent sent in reams of alerts about the potential problem and was ignored or put down by his superiors.

Bush scares me sometimes - well, often. He really has this view of an imperial presidency. Yesterday, our Supreme Court heard a challenge to some of his asserted powers. I hope the justices smack him down.

My siblings and I are eligible for Irish/dual citizenship. No joke - two of them have already done the paperwork because they are so on edge about the Bush presidency.
caarianna
Mar. 29th, 2006 07:42 pm (UTC)
I hear Ireland is a beautiful place ....

But if your sister saw it happen in DC, then that puts a serious screw into the conspiracy theory.

Letting something happen though, that's been done in the past by any number of leaders to suit larger ends. Churchill and Coventry and Pearl Harbour come to mind. When these guys start thinking into terms of larger, long term strategies, any number of people can be sacrificed 'for the good of the rest'.
fingers
Mar. 29th, 2006 08:26 pm (UTC)
Ever Heard of Operation Northwoods - a plot from the 1960's to hijack an airliner in such a way that cuba would be blamed and therefore they'd have an excuse to invade it?

or 'Project for a New Amercian Century' ? The prinicpal paper for that grouping called for a new Pearl Harbor so that Amercia could get stuck into the Middle East - oh, just by coincidence, half of that group is in the Bush Administration.
fingers
Mar. 29th, 2006 08:36 pm (UTC)
I think something went into the Pentagon - not every c. theorist believes those *out there* theories about holograms / etc

But there is still significant problems or queries shall we say with all four attacks (not forgetting Flight 93) .


vamysteryfan
Mar. 30th, 2006 04:15 pm (UTC)
I have a problem with what happened to World Trade Center 7, the building that housed the Emergency Response Center and the other government offices. It basically came down for no reason. In one of the documentaries, an official said they never figured out who gave the order to evacuate so far in advance. That kind of argues in favor of someone manipulating the events.
fingers
Mar. 30th, 2006 04:19 pm (UTC)
For a lot of people, WTC 7 is the one that got away - never examined in the 9/11 report, the reported sayings of Laryy Silverstein - 'Pull it' and so forth.

trislindsay
Mar. 29th, 2006 08:13 pm (UTC)
I really don't know about conspiracy theories as laid out by your links, but I don't think Bush, Jr. has the brains. Cheney, yes. Bush really didn't do anything successfully until they used him to run for governor of Texas (oh, yeah, they bought him a baseball team and he was apparently a great drinker). I don't think he's much more than a patsy or figurehead, though he believes he's more, and more frighteningly, he thinks he has a direct line to God.

Frankly, I wouldn't put it past those who do control Bush's thinking. This is a man who refuses to read newspapers. They've (they being those politicians) done nothing but lie to the American people, and thus, the World, and they continue to do so. Katrina was a good example of their lack of interest in human life.

It frightens me even more that there are so many Americans who actually allow those politicians to do their thinking for them, and who believe every lie they are fed. And then they lie about the lies, and the people eat that up, too. And heaven forbid if you try to say something -- you are NOT SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS! You are anti-American! You must be an atheist!

It's scary to be an American right now.
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