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Seeking Technical Advice

I have old Hercules, The Legendary Journeys stories on geocities websites. The original webmistresses have lost interest and don't intend to do anything to save the sites. I've contacted Yahoo to see if I could take over the sites and then move them to their new paid webhosting option. Unfortunately, without the passwords, that action isn't possible. However, they suggested I copy the pages in question, get my own webhosting account and paste the old pages in. My question is: will copying the page of titles also pick up the underlying stories or would each doc have to be copied and pasted individually? If I can copy and paste just from the story index page, how do I do that?

Thanks.

ETA: I'm grateful to everyone who responded. Looks like saving the two websites won't be possible, but I'll at least copy and save my own stories. Rhianne has created space at hidden-muse for some of them, and others I may put on ff.net. So sad when people just can't be bothered to maintain their sites -- and I'm angry with Yahoo for dropping geocities. I understand that it's all about profit, but I'm going to miss so many of the disappearing sites.

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janedavitt
Sep. 1st, 2009 03:30 pm (UTC)
I don't think grabbing the titles would give you the fic, sadly; the titles, if they're links, are pointing at an actual uploaded page; if it's not there anymore, you're pointing at nothing.

So you'd have to upload each individually.

The Wayback Machine would remove the rush though if it has the pages archived.

Good luck!
roslynsmuse
Sep. 1st, 2009 04:15 pm (UTC)
Would you need authors' permissions to post to a new site?
snailbones
Sep. 1st, 2009 04:24 pm (UTC)


Oh yuck - what a pain. I'd say copy and paste too - plus you're probably going to need to go through them before re-posting to sort out any hidden formatting the old site might have inserted.

aerianya
Sep. 1st, 2009 04:59 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure there is a program that copies the whole shebang links, docs and all. I'm also thinking it may have been FrontPage. Can't really remember it's been a while since we had a page and I don't know if that version is still out there.
Sorry, you may have to do it page by page unless it's still exists somewhere.. *sigh
Big help huh?
*eta I have been informed by T (who finally called back) you would still need passwords to edit or upload. Sorry.

Edited at 2009-09-01 05:08 pm (UTC)
knitty_woman
Sep. 1st, 2009 05:10 pm (UTC)
Maybe you should ask the folks who are doing the saving of the geocities sites ... can't recall their names, but it's been posted recently. They have probably figured out all the logistics.
caarianna
Sep. 2nd, 2009 05:42 am (UTC)
Unfortunately, they're the ones who told me I couldn't take over the sites and move them to the new webhosting, that only the 'owner' could do that. I can understand it and even agree with the rationale -- nobody would want just anyone to be able to come in and move stuff. But I wish these 'owners' would step up to the plate. I've offered to pay the tab in both cases. I guess I shouldn't give up. There's still time for them to save the sites.
etakyma
Sep. 1st, 2009 05:11 pm (UTC)
No, you likely won't be able to get all pages linked from a single title page. You *may* have to rebuild your title page all together, depending on how your web mistress set it up - although it shouldn't be difficult to do, since you'll have the skeleton already.

I suggest going and copying the PAGE SOURCE for each individual page, if that is possible - since that would take all the formatting along with the content of the page (italics, bold, underline, etc.). And remember if you have images, to go and grab those separately, as those would not go automatically with the html. Good luck!
caarianna
Sep. 2nd, 2009 05:43 am (UTC)
Good tip on using 'page source', and to remember to save the art separately. Thanks.
redgirl72928
Sep. 2nd, 2009 01:30 am (UTC)
http://www.bluesquirrel.com/products/webwhacker/ and
http://www.bluesquirrel.com/products/grabasite/

I'm trying these to see if I can transfer my Emergency! Web site from Geocities. Still feeling my way, but I can tell you that I do have all the site downloaded, I just don't know what to do with it yet. Hope this helps.
caarianna
Sep. 2nd, 2009 05:43 am (UTC)
Thanks! I'll give the products a try!
cluesby4
Sep. 2nd, 2009 01:55 am (UTC)
Hi! There's a program DownLoad Studio that I used as a teacher. It would allow me to download an entire WORKING site. I was able to save the site on CDs and use in the classroom without being online.

It's been years since I have used it. I have thought of purchasing it off and on.

If interested it is here.
http://www.conceiva.com/products/downloadstudio/

caarianna
Sep. 2nd, 2009 05:45 am (UTC)
Thanks, buddy -- this looks like the easiest option so far. LOL, now I just have to overcome my pathological aversion to the technical side of things that creates an unreasoning lump of anxiety in my gut and brings me perilously close to tears. (There's a reason I've never had my own website!) ;)
roslynsmuse
Sep. 2nd, 2009 12:24 pm (UTC)
Put up a mirror site so nothing can be lost in the ether of the internet. Once assured a copy exists for everything you wanted to preserve, you can figure out how to display it and make it accessible to others. That's what a web tech person I know does when constructing sites for other folks - well, blogs at any rate. Websites are a bit ambitious! Might a blog do instead?
starwatcher307
Sep. 5th, 2009 05:21 pm (UTC)
My 2 cents
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Oh, crap! Lost the comment I was typing. Let's try again.

Sorry it took so long to come back to this; school hassles, you know? And it looks like others have given good advice, but for the parts that don't pan out, I offer this...

The question is, are you wanting to save just your stories, or all of the stories? I suspect all, or you wouldn't have been told about 'permission' issues. I'd suggest several things.

First, email all the authors, and point out that Geocities is closing. (If they're no longer in fandom, they may not be aware.) Ask if they're willing to move their stories to a new archive. If the answer is 'yes', point them toward OTW; they have said they'll help authors host stories from sites that are closing.

If the answer is 'no', ask if they'll allow you to move the stories for them. If so, they'll need to send you a permission email that you can pass on to the OTW folks.

If you get no answer (because emails have changed), you're in a pickle; I imagine there are thousands of stories you want to save. The Wayback machine is useful, but only if you have the original URL. (Amendment: some people know how to search without the original URL, but I don't know the trick. Maybe someone will pass it on.)

Perhaps you could gather a group of people still in the Hercules fandom, and divide up saving the URLs. (You take A - E on this site, you take F - M, etc.) Have them make a document with story title above, and URL underneath. (They'll have to open the story to get the URL.) Then everyone can mail the document to one person (you, I assume, since you seem most concerned -- or me, if you need me to do the compiling), and you could post them all on one of your DW pages. You could get thousands of titles and URLs in one post. Then, if someone wants a story, they can find the URL on that page to use in the Wayback machine. (And you don't need permission to save URLs and titles.)

If you're trying to save individual stories, I saw someone suggest saving page source. That is useful if you're recreating the story on another site, but it's usually UGLY for reading, and may be unnecessary. Usually, you can call up a saved story in the pretty HTML page, go to the menu, click on 'View', click on 'Page source' or 'View source' (whatever your computer says), and you'll still get the page source to open up from the saved HTML-view even if you're offline. Try it; you can save/email the pretty versions, but have the source available when needed. (At least, it works in Firefox. You'll have to experiment to see if it works in IE.)

If you or others want to save individual stories, there are several steps. I'll lay them out, so you'll understand what you're doing. But then there's a shortcut method, zip-zip, and it'll be easier than you think. Stories saved as the pretty HTML format can be emailed to other people who request them.
    1. Open story.
    2. Highlight the title and copy it. (Ctrl-C).
    3. Go to top menu. Click 'File', click 'Save Page As'. (Shortcut is Ctrl-S)
    4. At the top, select the folder you want to save it in. I suggest making a brand-new folder on the desktop, labeled 00 Stories saved. If you need to scroll down a list, it'll be at the top, easy to find. But it should be the automatic selection after you've saved one or two stories there.
    5. Paste (Ctrl-V) the title in the 'File name:' box; it'll be easier to read than what's usually there.
    6. In the 'Save as type:' box, select 'Web Page, HTML only'. (After you've done it once, it'll become the default; you won't need to select it every time.)
    7. Click 'Save'.
I hope your eyes aren't crossed. After you've done this a couple of times, you get it down to a fine art. I do this:

>>>Open story; Highlight title; Ctrl-C; Ctrl-S, Ctrl-V, Enter.<<< You don't even have to take your finger off the Ctrl key for C-S-V.

(too long; cont)
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starwatcher307
Sep. 5th, 2009 05:22 pm (UTC)
My 2 cents #2
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PS: Do save a copy of the 'main title page', however many there are. (A-E, F-M, whatever.) The links won't work, but the titles and summaries will give people an idea what they want to request.

If you can use Cluesby4's program to save the working sites, then you might be able to save individual stories later, at leisure. Maybe set up a connected network of people who each save X number of stories on their computer, to be emailed out at request. (Didn't someone from the TSStoryFinders site do something similar with the old GuidePost stories? Maybe they could offer suggestions.)

I can't imagine trying to save an archive like CL or 852. But if your emails get a bunch of authors saving their OWN stories elsewhere, maybe there will be few enough left for a group effort to save URLs for the Wayback machine, or the stories themselves.

Good luck.
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caarianna
Sep. 5th, 2009 10:36 pm (UTC)
Re: My 2 cents #2
Thanks, Linda -- all excellent suggestions and tips, as always.

I've been rethinking about whether I really want to spend $240 a year to save other people's stories ... I have already copied my own and can post them on ff.net or hidden-muse.com at my leisure. The two webmistresses are well intentioned and may yet do something to save the sites, but I'm not holding my breath.

Now I'm within ten days of surgery and then I'm heading home to Ontario for the month of Oct (no web access), and then I'm heading south in mid Nov. In the meantime, I've arranged to have my knee replacement done next year in Ontario, so I'm putting my house up for sale next week.

I think I've run out of time to try to save everything and, unfortunately, even the other authors who might want their stuff saved can barely manage to copy their own stories for safe-keeping. I think the wayback machine might be the most feasible answer. After all, it's not like I read any of those other stories anymore anyway.

LOL, do I sound as tired as I feel today? I've had to come off the anti-inflammatories in prep for surgery, and so our weather has chosen now to revert to type, ie humid and raining, which isn't great for my joints.

Haven't heard from you in a while. Hope you're doing okay. Any word on whether you'll need surgery?
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